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1:26 pm
July 7, 2008


Robbins Ave Resident

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“Residents near Dracut's Robbins Ave. must pay for road upgrades”

“Residents in the Robbins Avenue neighborhood will have to shell out $5,400 each during the next 10 years for improvements to their streets.” (From LowellSun)
> so let me get this straight, I pay taxes to dracut to (in part) pay for road inprovements, so when they paved in front of the town hall everyone in dracut paid for it,and the town hall “directly benefits” BUT when my street needs improvement only the “abutters” pay for it? so now the town has a Lien on my property which I am trying to sell, with the economy as it is I have had to lower my price. now I have to come up with $5400. so my deed will be lien free in order to sell.
When they repaved some of the streets off Bridge street didn't the residents there benefit….. guess not cause we all paid taxes to cover them.

4:52 pm
July 7, 2008


admin

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posts 10

Hi.. welcome to the forum!

Yeah, we knew people would be bothered by this, but the fact is that when the developer built the properties off of Robbins, he set it up as a private road at the time. The people who bought the houses were informed that they were responsible for the street (and because they agreed to do the plowing, street repairs at the time, the houses sold for a lower cost).

Now, as years went by, the town finds that the people who own the property did not take care of the road, making it dangerous for fire and police vehicles to get through.. so the town must now take over the road and charge the property owners to bring the road up to par.

At least from now on, the town will maintain the road.

9:19 am
July 8, 2008


Robbins Ave Resident

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Nowhere in my Deed does it say anything about being responsible for the repairs or upkeep of this road, how can 150 residents be responsible for a road they live on without being notified of these provisions? seems to me if the town wanted to fall back n someone to blame for the upkeep it would be the Contractors or builders of this development, didn't they need a permit from the town? shouldn't the town go after the company that built the development? What are the laws governing Private roads and permits for them? Who's Private road was it? must have been a title for the owner of the Private Road. What was the Name on the Permit.

There are many Condo's on this road, and the different buildings have different “Condo Associations” in “our” association rules again nothing is said about maintaining the Road. so how where people to know it was OUR responsibility to maintain the road. most of the people here where under the impression that the original builders were maintaining the road.

Seems to me that someone perpetrated deception somewhere.

11:23 am
July 8, 2008


John Dyer

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Dracut

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A Robbins Ave Resident said: ……..“Nowhere in my Deed does it say anything about being responsible for the repairs or upkeep of this road”

It is not in the deed…………The document that would detail your (and the condo assn) responsibilities as to care and maintenance is a combination of the documents establishing the condo often referred to as the “Master Deed” or “Deed of Trust” depending on the locale and the Condo Regs or just generically, the “Condo Dox”. In addition, a properly established condominium association would have written Condo Assn Rules and Rights………which could modify or add to the residents responsibilities over time within the constraints of the original condo declarations ……….. By ignoring the responsibility of caring for the road, the association and the owners became subject to town action simply because emergency services to the residents was curtailed by lack of access ……………….only because the owners failed to live up to the requirements of the assn ………

And also said: ………..”Seems to me that someone perpetrated deception somewhere”

The contractor or developer who sold the units and did not emphasize the responsibilities is certainly partly the problem but the real problem is the inattention of prospective owner(s) who do not read the documents or do not understand what they are buying when they buy a condominium unit.


10:49 am
July 9, 2008


Robbins Ave Resident

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The “Master Deed” “The Trust” and the Association Rules and Guide” (for our building) make NO MNETION of Maintaining the road, matter of fact the only time Robbins ave is even mentioned is as an Address or as a Boundary indicator. nothing out side of the Land boundary is mentioned, the fact that Robbins Ave was a private way is not even mentioned.

These documents (for our Building) were carefull gone over when first purchased, and have been carefuly scutinized since,

Not sure what is in the other Condo associations Master Deeds or Trust documents, We (some concerned resident) are trying to meet with other residents to discuss the situation and alternative measures.

If the Town is using the “Home Rule Petition” Provision of the “Community Preservation Bill” Then even there Funding percentages are off. as for the cost of the road itself I believe close to $800'000 is a bit much. and with the interest rate of 5%

you can bet the town will collect close to $1'000'000. what next.

5:53 pm
July 9, 2008


admin

Admin

posts 10

I stopped in to talk to Town Manager Dennis Piendak this afternoon, and filled him in on this thread.

I asked who the resident could contact for more information.

He recommended the Town Finance Director/Treasurer Anne Vandall at 978-454-8262

He did summarize the many, many times that residents of this neighborhood were invited to meetings to discuss the issue (and lack of response in most cases); and that 21 residents did attend the Town Meeting in 2006 that approved this process.

9:41 pm
July 9, 2008


Robbins Ave Resident

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I would like to thank the “Admin” for the information, as a responds to the town meeting, a lot of us were glad to see the town take over the road, but were unaware that it meant for us to be taxed EXTRA for it, again we “Assumed” because we pay the same tax rate as the rest of the town, it would be covered by our (the whole towns) taxes.

Not sure if means of payment were in the town Meetings minutes, we would have to look that up, some of the residents that said they were there do not remember this.

Couldn't the town go in accordance to the CPA guidelines to obtain funding? if this is the ruling they used ? Then something is way off.

I would also like to thank this forum for a chance to vent, keep up the good work.

5:24 pm
July 13, 2008


A resident

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Why did the Town of Dracut approve a road in the first place that was not up to code when the rental units on Robbins Avenue were first turned into condominiums? I thought the town had to approve all plans including the roads that go into a complex. Why was Robbins Avenue approved initial UNDER CODE. Why do we have to pay to bring it up to code? THE TOWN DROPPED THE BALL HERE.

5:30 pm
July 13, 2008


Dracut

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If the cost of Robbins Avenue is $622,187; legal costs are $12,813; software costs are $30,000; TOTAL: $665,000. Then add interest of $150,000; GRAND TOTAL $814,290. 151 RESIDENTS PAYING $5,400 = $815,400. WHY ARE THE RESIDENTS PAYING 5% INTEREST ON TOP OF THAT??? DOESN'T THE TOWN GET THAT EXTRA MONEY????

7:09 pm
July 13, 2008


Shawn

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posts 21

A resident said:

Why did the Town of Dracut approve a road in the first place that was not up to code when the rental units on Robbins Avenue were first turned into condominiums? I thought the town had to approve all plans including the roads that go into a complex. Why was Robbins Avenue approved initial UNDER CODE. Why do we have to pay to bring it up to code? THE TOWN DROPPED THE BALL HERE.


I understand your frustration. The situation sucks.

But the fact is that the town did not accept this road as a town road when it was originally built. I'm not sure why the plans were approved, I'm not sure who the building inspector was at the time. But the fact is, the town does not own my driveway, just the same as it does not own a number of other roads within developments around town. We're responsible for our own.

It was not until the safety of people in the area became an issue (with fire and police vehicles not able to pass), and the associations in the area not willing to take responsibility for their property to fix the situation that the town had to step in.

People were invited to a number of public meetings to discuss this, and very few showed up. The residents of the area who participated in town meeting all voted to have the town repair the property, charge the owners and then take responsibility for the road.

In the end this is cheaper for the residents, as they do not have to pay for keeping the roads maintained into the future… they just have this one payment they have to make (which they can pay back over 20 years if they so choose.. making the payment minimal).

Face it, if you had a septic system fail these days, it could cost up to $30,000.00, $5400.00 is not nothing, but in the long run it improves the value of the properties, and reduces maintenance on your cars, etc.

7:11 pm
July 13, 2008


Shawn

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posts 21

Dracut said:

If the cost of Robbins Avenue is $622,187; legal costs are $12,813; software costs are $30,000; TOTAL: $665,000. Then add interest of $150,000; GRAND TOTAL $814,290. 151 RESIDENTS PAYING $5,400 = $815,400. WHY ARE THE RESIDENTS PAYING 5% INTEREST ON TOP OF THAT??? DOESN'T THE TOWN GET THAT EXTRA MONEY????


I'm sure this difference of about $1200 has something to do with the choices that the residents have.. whether to pay over 5, 10 or 20 years while the town is bonding it all out at once.

Ann Vanall could surely explain this… numbers are her speciality.

7:50 pm
July 13, 2008


Robbins Ave Resident

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Occording to the “Bill” we received its 10 years, twice yearly, at the 3rd and 4th quarter, and after august 4th we are also charge 5% on the remander, (no sure if yearly or quarterly it is not stated)

Again the “TOWN” is under the assumption that everyone on this road was aware that we were respondsible for repairs to the road. . . . well where is it in writting on who's deeds, in what trust document. . .???

Why did the Town not follow up with the developers when these buildings were sold as townhouses and condos, to make sure it was in the Master Deeds, or to at least make sure road was up to code.

Yes it is a fine road and they did an awesome job, (Granite curbing, a little overkill there) and yes it was needed. . . that is not the complaint.

The CPA on this is not yet in the Rep Collen Garry's hands, not gone thought the house and not been sign . . so some resident are VERY Confused. . .

Where does one turn to FIGHT this? are there any Advocacy Groups for local taxpayers? Do we Need to hire a lawyer? File an Appeal?

8:08 pm
July 13, 2008


Shawn

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posts 21

Robbins Ave Resident said:

Occording to the “Bill” we received its 10 years, twice yearly, at the 3rd and 4th quarter, and after august 4th we are also charge 5% on the remander, (no sure if yearly or quarterly it is not stated)

Again the “TOWN” is under the assumption that everyone on this road was aware that we were respondsible for repairs to the road. . . . well where is it in writting on who's deeds, in what trust document. . .???

Why did the Town not follow up with the developers when these buildings were sold as townhouses and condos, to make sure it was in the Master Deeds, or to at least make sure road was up to code.

Yes it is a fine road and they did an awesome job, (Granite curbing, a little overkill there) and yes it was needed. . . that is not the complaint.

The CPA on this is not yet in the Rep Collen Garry's hands, not gone thought the house and not been sign . . so some resident are VERY Confused. . .

Where does one turn to FIGHT this? are there any Advocacy Groups for local taxpayers? Do we Need to hire a lawyer? File an Appeal?


What do you mean by CPA? The Community Preservation Act?

The place to discuss it was at town meeting. It came up a number of times, and was voted on there.

A lawyer is going to cost a lot more than $5400.00, if they would even take the case.

As someone asked me last week, does your deed mention the parking lot? the roof? the foundation? The road was just another part of the development at the time.

Again, I'm not speaking for the town, just commenting on what I see.

It seems that a lot of people were given a lot of chances to speak up, and at least 21 did (and they voted in favor of the town doing what it did).

More people need to actually get involved, go to public hearings and town meetings and get their voice heard.

8:21 pm
July 13, 2008


Robbins Ave Resident

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Yes, my Master deed mentions the roof, foundation, parking lot (our building has just hired a contractor to replace shingles, we have each just paid out $1400 to repair this, we are very aware of what is in the deed as far as what we are responsible for. but again no mention of road or road repairs. show me something that says we were responsible for it.

Yes, The Community Preservation act, and the Home Rule Petition is what the town is using to levy the assessment.

I have spoken to Rep. Colleen Garry and she was at the meeting and has to submit this petition to the house and pass it on to the Governor for signing.

Depending on the amount of residents who participate a lawyer may be as little as $100. a piece. to start a Class action Lawsuit.

or to fight the means of funding.

I agree had I known anything about this before buying or even since, one of the residents has only been here 2 months she has never even seen the “Private Road” since her purchase came after the town took over and repaired, yet she has gotten the Bill also.

8:31 pm
July 13, 2008


Shawn

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posts 21

The CPA program is a completely separate issue. The funds from that cannot be used to repair roads (or any other town property).

That program is used to buy open space and developments rights to restrict future development in town. It is also used for affordable housing (the elderly project on Mammoth road is a good example) and can be use for rec programs such as purchasing land for parks and/or open space.

it is not a fund that the town can use for any purpose they want. Every project must get approved at the state level, and must meet a number of conditions.

Believe me, with the town hall issue hanging above our heads, lots of people would love to find a way to use CPA to pay for that.. but it just can't be done.

8:12 am
July 14, 2008


Robbins Ave Resident

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(Quote From the Lowell Sun)

“Selectmen unanimously approved the assessment, as well as a motion authorizing state Rep. Colleen Garry, D-Dracut, to file a home-rule petition with the Legislature supporting the levy and declaring those streets public ways.

That means the town now has the authority to take land or impose easements if necessary and that the benefits offset any damages incurred.”

Seems the CPA can be used in many ways to obtain money for projects. . . . .

8:18 am
July 14, 2008


Robbins Ave Resident

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(Quote from Rep Colleen Garry)

. . . . in reference to the Robbins Ave Assesment

The Home Rule petition that you referenced was passed by the June Town Meeting, It is my obligation as State Representative to file the home rule petition at the Town's request. Senator Tucker will be asked to file it as well on behalf of the Town. The petition has not yet been sent to me by the Town to file. Once it is filed, it will be assigned to a committee of the House and Senate for its review. When it is released from the Committee, it must be passed by both branches of the Legislature, the House and Senate and then signed by the Governor.”

“As I have said, I do not have the petition yet. I expect the Town Clerk to send me a certified copy of the Town Meeting Warrant Article and certified copy of the Town Meeting vote on the Article. “

11:24 am
July 14, 2008


admin

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posts 10

Robbins Ave Resident said:

(Quote From the Lowell Sun)

“Selectmen unanimously approved the assessment, as well as a motion authorizing state Rep. Colleen Garry, D-Dracut, to file a home-rule petition with the Legislature supporting the levy and declaring those streets public ways.

That means the town now has the authority to take land or impose easements if necessary and that the benefits offset any damages incurred.”

Seems the CPA can be used in many ways to obtain money for projects. . . . .


The home rule petition is completely separate from the CPA act. The declaration converting private streets to public ways always has to go through the state.

The CPA fund is not available to fund this project.

See: http://www.communitypreservation.org/index.cfm

12:34 pm
July 14, 2008


Robbins Ave Resident

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THE HOME RULE PETITION

Set forth below are draft provisions of a home rule petition that is consistent with the CPA. The home rule petition is divided into several sections. The draft provision is indented in bold after various explanatory comments, in some cases pointing out options that the town or city has in structuring the section, while still maintaining CPA consistency. Each community must decide which of these options or others it will include in its home rule petition in order to create structures and mechanisms that work best for its needs. Many other variations are possible within the given framework.

http://www.environmentalleague.org/Issues/Preservation/Homerule.htm

12:38 pm
July 14, 2008


Robbins Ave Resident

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if the “The declaration converting private streets to public ways always has to go through the state.”

and so far it has NOT gone through, how can the town bill us already?

I realize this may only be a formality. . . . .

but again to many things do not ad up.

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